JACKETT,
P.:—This
is
a
motion
on
behalf
of
the
respondent
for
an
order
(a)
requiring
the
Appellant
to
produce
for
inspection
the
memorandum
prepared
by
the
Appellant’s
solicitor,
and
referred
to
in
question
number
163
of
the
Examination
for
Discovery
of
Alexander
Slomo
Strasser;
(b)
requiring
the
Appellant
to
produce
for
inspection
the
letter
from
its
auditor,
Mr.
A.
Pal
to
its
solicitor,
W.
Goodman,
dated
the
1st
day
of
December
1964,
and
referred
to
in
question
number
175
of
the
Examination
for
Discovery
of
Alexander
Slomo
Strasser;
(c)
requiring
the
Appellant
to
produce
the
letter
of
the
2nd
day
of
December
1964
from
W.
Goodman
to
Spenser,
Pal
&
Co.,
and
the
memorandum
of
the
4th
day
of
December
1964,
both
of
which
are
referred
to
in
the
answer
given
to
question
number
189
of
the
Examination
for
Discovery
of
Alexander
Slomo
Strasser;
(d)
requiring
that
Alexander
Slomo
Stresser
reattend
the
examination
for
discovery
and
answer
questions
numbered
164,
165,
175
and
176,
and
such
further
questions
as
may
arise
from
the
answers
given.
The
motion
came
on
for
hearing
before
me
at
Toronto
on
October
15,
1968,
at
which
time
I
rejected
the
motion
in
so
far
as
paragraph
(a),
supra,
was
concerned
and
gave
the
parties
leave
to
file
further
material
and
to
make
written
submissions
concerning
the
remainder
of
the
motion.
Since
the
parties
indicated,
by
letter
dated
January
20
last,
that
they
had
completed
their
submissions,
I
have
read
the
decisions
cited
by
them
and
have
considered
their
arguments.
I
shall
consider
first
the
problem
raised
concerning
the
documents
referred
to
in
paragraphs
(b)
and
(c)
of
the
portion
of
the
Notice
of
Motion
quoted
above.
Two
affidavits
have
been
filed
on
behalf
of
the
appellant
from
which
the
nature
of
these
documents
may
be
determined.
The
first
is
an
affidavit
of
Marshall
A.
Cohen,
sworn
October
21,
1968,
and
reading
as
follows:
1.
I
am
a
partner
in
the
law
firm
of
Goodman
and
Carr,
Solicitors
for
the
Appellant
herein.
2.
I
have
inspected
the
four
documents
referred
to
in
the
Notice
of
Motion,
brought
by
the
Respondent,
returnable
on
the
15th
day
of
October,
1968,
and
dated
the
1~9th
day
of
September,
1968.
The
said
documents
can
be
briefly
described
as
follows:
(a)
Typewritten
memorandum
of
three
pages
dated
the
10th
day
of
November,
1964,
and
being
a
memorandum
of
a
meeting
between
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman,
Mr.
Harry
Wolfe
and
Mr.
Andrew
Pal.
(b)
Typewritten
letter
of
three
pages
dated
December
1st,
1964,
from
Mr.
Andrew
Pal
to
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman.
(c)
Typewritten
copy
of
a
letter
of
one
page
dated
December
2nd,
1964,
from
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman
to
Mr.
Andrew
Pal.
(d)
Typewritten
memorandum
of
one
page
dated
December
4th,
1964,
relating
to
a
telephone
conversation
of
December
3rd,
1964,
between
Mr.
Andrew
Pal
and
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman.
3.
From
advice
received
from
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman,
Mr.
Andrew
Pal
and
Mr.
Harry
Wolfe,
from
my
own
knowledge
including
therein
my
inspection
of
the
aforesaid
documents
I
verily
believe
the
following
statements
set
out
in
paragraphs
4
to
8
inclusive
to
be
true.
4.
At
all
material
times
at
which
such
documents
aforesaid
came
into
existence,
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman
was
a
member
of
the
law
firm
of
Goodman,
Cooper,
Cohen
&
Farano,
and
the
said
law
firm
and
in
particular
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman
was
retained
to
give
specific
advice
to
the
Appellant
herein
and
the
principal
shareholders
thereof.
5.
At
all
material
times
at
which
such
documents
aforesaid
came
into
existence,
Mr.
Harry
Wolfe
was
a
member
of
the
law
firm
of
Lorenzetti,
Mariani
and
Wolfe
and
the
said
law
firm
and
Mr.
Harry
Wolfe
in
particular
were
the
general
solicitors
of
the
Appellant
herein
and
it
was
with
the
concurrence
of
and
at
the
suggestion
of
the
said
Mr.
Harry
Wolfe
that
Mr.
W.
D.
Goodman
was
consulted
as
aforesaid
to
give
specific
advice
to
the
Appellant
herein
and
to
consult
with
Mr.
Harry
Wolfe
with
respect
to
the
legal
problem,
for
which
such
legal
advice
was
sought.
6.
Mr.
Andrew
Pal
is
a
member
of
the
Institute
of
Chartered
Accountants
of
Ontario,
and
at
that
time
and
now
was
a
member
of
a
firm
of
Chartered
Accountants
bearing
the
name
Spencer,
Pal
and
Company.
7.
At
all
material
times
at
which
such
documents
aforesaid
came
into
existence
Mr.
Andrew
Pal
was
retained
by
the
Appellant
herein
as
its
agent
for
the
purpose
of
communicating
to
Mr.
Wolfe
and
to
Mr.
Goodman,
certain
information
concerning
the
Appellant
and
for
the
further
purpose
of
receiving
from
Mr.
Wolfe
and
Mr.
Goodman
certain
advice
and
opinion
for
transmission
by
him
to
the
Appellant
herein.
8.
The
aforesaid
documents
consist
solely
of
professional
communications
of
a
confidential
character
or
the
later
written
recording
of
oral
professional
communications
of
a
confidential
character
between
the
Appellant
or
the
Appellant’s
agent
and
its
solicitors
and
counsel
for
the
purpose
of
obtaining
or
giving
legal
advice
and
assistance
and
confidential
communications
or
the
later
written
recording
of
oral
confidential
communications
at
the
instance
and
at
the
request
and
for
the
use
of
the
Appellant’s
solicitors
and
counsel
for
the
aforesaid
purposes.
The
second
is
a
further
affidavit
of
Mr.
Cohen
sworn
on
November
20,
1968
and
reading
as
follows:
1.
I
am
a
partner
in
the
law
firm
of
Goodman
and
Carr,
Solicitors
for
the
Appellant
herein.
2.
This
Affidavit
is
made
in
supplement
to
my
Affidavit
filed
in
this
action
and
sworn
to
on
the
21st
day
of
October,
1968.
8.
I
am
informed
by
Mr.
Pal
and
verily
believe
the
following
facts
set
out
hereunder.
4.
That
for
some
years
prior
to
the
meeting
of
November
10th,
1964,
from
which
the
typewritten
memorandum
referred
to
in
paragraph
2(a)
of
my
Affidavit
sworn
to
on
the
21st
day
of
October,
1968,
arises
Mr.
Pal,
in
addition
to
his
other
duties
as
a
public
accountant
to
Susan
Hosiery
Limited,
the
Appellant
herein,
had
been
acting
as
financial
adviser
to
the
said
Appellant
and
its
principals.
5.
That
on
the
instructions
of
the
principals
of
Susan
Hosiery
Limited,
Mr.
Pal
was
instructed
to
meet
with
Mr.
Goodman
and
Mr.
Harry
Wolfe
to
discuss
certain
matters
pertaining
to
the
business
affairs
including
future
business
affairs
and
“activities”
of
the
Appellant
and
of
the
principals
thereof
and
to
obtain
the
advice
of
Mr.
Goodman
thereon.
6.
That
such
meeting
took
place
on
November
10th,
1964,
and
that
such
discussion
was
had
at
such
meeting
and
certain
advice
was
obtained
from
Mr.
Goodman
on
that
day
and
that
by
reason
of
such
advice
it
was
decided
by
Mr.
Pal,
Mr.
Wolfe
and
Mr.
Goodman
that
further
suggestions
as
to
how
the
Appellant
and
its
principals
might
wish
to
conduct
their
business
affairs,
including
certain
legal
steps
to
be
taken
on
their
behalf
should
be
given
Mr.
Goodman
to
enable
him
to
advise
thereon.
7.
Mr.
Pal
thereafter
and
prior
to
December
1st,
1964,
communicated
to
the
Appellant
through
its
principals
and
to
the
said
principals
the
gist
of
the
advice
of
Mr.
Goodman
and
after
discussion
with
such
principals
wrote
on
their
behalf
and
on
behalf
of
the
Appellant
to
Mr.
Goodman
setting
out
suggested
courses
of
action
and
giving
Mr.
Goodman
certain
instructions
thereon.
The
said
writing
to
Mr.
Goodman
is
contained
in
the
typewritten
letter
referred
to
in
paragraph
2(b)
of
my
Affidavit
sworn
to
on
the
21st
day
of
October,
1968.
8.
Mr.
Goodman
on
receipt
thereof
wrote
to
Mr.
Pal,
firstly
commenting
upon
the
letter
of
December
1st,
1964,
and
asking
Mr.
Pal
to
speak
to
him,
Mr.
Goodman,
about
one
aspect
of
the
matters
dealt
with
in
the
letter
of
December
1st,
1964.
The
said
letter
of
Mr.
Goodman
is
that
referred
to
in
paragraph
2(c)
of
my
Affidavit
sworn
to
on
the
21st
day
of
October,
1968.
9.
Mr.
Pal
on
receipt
of
such
letter
telephoned
Mr.
Goodman
to
give
Mr.
Goodman
certain
additional
information
required
and
answering
the
request
to
Mr.
Goodman
to
speak
to
him
as
set
out
above.
Such
telephone
conversation
occurred
on
the
4th
day
of
December,
1964,
and
is
referred
to
in
paragraph
2(d)
of
my
Affidavit
sworn
to
on
the
21st
day
of
October,
1968.
10.
I
verily
believe
that
to
describe
the
subject
matter
of
the
communications
and
advice
above
in
other
than
general
terms
of
“business
affairs”,
“courses
of
action”
and
other
similar
terms
would
disclose
the
privilege
hereby
sought
to
be
maintained.
The
basic
principles
on
which
the
appellant
relies
for
his
objection
to
the
production
of
these
documents
are,
in
effect,
as
I
understand
them,
unchanged
from
the
time
when
they
were
authoritatively
enunciated
by
Lord
Blackburn
in
Lyell
v.
Kennedy
(No.
2)
(1883),
9
App.
Cas.
81,
where
he
said:
.
.
.
the
law
of
England,
for
the
purpose
of
public
policy
and
protection,
has
from
very
early
times
said
that
a
client
may
consult
a
solicitor
(I
mean
a
legal
agent)
for
the
purposes
of
his
cause,
and
of
litigation
which
is
pending,
and
that
the
policy
of
the
law
says
that
in
order
to
encourage
free
intercourse
between
him
and
his
solicitor,
the
client
has
the
privilege
of
preventing
his
solicitor
from
disclosing
anything
which
he
gets
when
so
employed,
and
of
preventing
its
being
used
against
him,
although
it
might
otherwise
be
evidence
against
him.
This
further
rule
has
been
established,
that
the
other
side
is
not
entitled,
on
discovery,
to
require
the
opponent
to
produce
as
a
document
those
papers
which
the
solicitor
or
attorney
has
prepared
in
the
course
of
the
case,
and
has
sent
to
his
client.
.
.
.
He
may
shew
it
if
he
pleases;
but
it
is
a
good
answer
to
a
discovery
to
say,
“It
was
prepared
for
me
by
my
legal
adviser,
my
attorney,
confidentially,
and
it
is
my
privilege
to
say
that
you
shall
not
read
it;”
and
I
think
that
it
is
hardly
disputed
that
on
a
discovery
of
documents
you
could
not
discover
that
brief.
The
principles
had
been
discussed
in
an
illuminating
way
in
an
earlier
decision
of
the
Court
of
Appeal
in
Wheeler
v.
Le
Marchant
(1881),
17
Ch.D.
675.
In
that
case,
it
was
accepted
as
clear
(a)
that
confidential
communications
between
a
client
and
his
legal
adviser
were
privileged,
and
(b)
that
documents
obtained
by
a
legal
adviser
for
the
purpose
of
preparing
for
litigation,
actual
or
anticipated,
were
privileged
;
but
an
attempt
to
extend
the
privilege
concerning
documents
obtained
by
a
legal
adviser
to
documents
obtained
in
situations
where
litigation
was
not
contemplated
was
rejected.
In
that
case
Jessel,
M.R.
said
at
page
682:
.
.
.
The
actual
communication
to
the
solicitor
by
the
client
is
.
.
.
protected,
and
it
is
equally
protected
whether
it
is
made
by
the
client
in
person
or
is
made
by
an
agent
on
behalf
of
the
client,
and
whether
it
is
made
to
the
solicitor
in
person
or
to
a
clerk
or
subordinate
of
the
solicitor
who
acts
in
his
place
and
under
his
direction.
Again,
the
evidence
obtained
by
the
solicitor,
or
by
his
direction,
or
at
his
instance,
even
if
obtained
by
the
client,
is
protected
if
obtained
after
litigation
has
been
commenced
or
threatened,
or
with
a
view
to
the
defence
or
prosecution
of
such
litigation.
So,
again,
a
communication
with
a
solicitor
for
the
purpose
of
obtaining
legal
advice
is
protected
though
it
relates
to
a
dealing
which
is
not
the
subject
of
litigation,
provided
it
be
a
communication
made
to
the
solicitor
in
that
character
and
for
that
purpose.
But
what
we
are
asked
to
protect
here
is
this.
The
solicitor,
being
consulted
in
a
matter
as
to
which
no
dispute
has
arisen,
thinks
he
would
like
to
know
some
further
facts
before
giving
his
advice,
and
applies
to
a
surveyor
to
tell
him
what
the
state
of
a
given
property
is,
and
it
is
said
that
the
information
given
ought
to
be
protected
because
it
is
desired
or
required
by
the
solicitor
in
order
to
enable
him
the
better
to
give
legal
advice.
It
appears
to
me
that
to
give
such
protection
would
not
only
extend
the
rule
beyond
what
has
been
previously
laid
down,
but
beyond
what
necessity
warrants.
and
Cotton,
L.
J.
said
at
pages
684
and
685
:
Their
case
is
put,
as
I
understand
it,
in
this
way:
It
is
said
that
as
communications
between
a
client
and
his
legal
advisers
for
the
purpose
of
obtaining
legal
advice
are
privileged,
therefore
any
communication
between
the
representatives
of
the
client
and
the
solicitor
must
be
also
privileged.
That
is
a
fallacious
use
of
the
word
“representatives”.
If
the
representative
is
a
person
employed
as
an
agent
on
the
part
of
the
client
to
obtain
the
legal
advice
of
the
solicitor,
of
course
he
stands
in
exactly
the
same
position
as
the
client
as
regards
protection,
and
his
communications
with
the
solicitor
stand
in
the
same
position
as
the
communications
of
his
principal
with
the
solicitor.
But
these
persons
were
not
representatives
in
that
sense.
They
were
representatives
in
this
sense,
that
they
were
employed
on
behalf
of
the
clients,
the
Defendants,
to
do
certain
work,
but
that
work
was
not
communicating
with
the
solicitor
to
obtain
legal
advice.
So
their
communications
cannot
be
protected
on
the
ground
that
they
are
communications
between
the
client
by
his
representatives
and
the
solicitor.
In
fact,
the
contention
of
the
Respondents
comes
to
this,
that
all
communications
between
a
solicitor
and
a
third
person
in
the
course
of
his
advising
his
client
are
to
be
protected.
It
was
conceded
there
was
no
case
that
went
that
length,
and
the
question
is
whether,
in
order
fully
to
develop
the
principle
with
all
its
reasonable
consequences,
we
ought
to
protect
such
documents.
Hitherto
such
communications
have
only
been
protected
when
they
have
been
in
contemplation
of
some
litigation,
or
for
the
purpose
of
giving
advice
or
obtaining
evidence
with
reference
to
it.
And
that
is
reasonable,
because
then
the
solicitor
is
preparing
for
the
defence
or
for
bringing
the
action,
and
all
communications
he
makes
for
that
purpose,
and
the
communications
made
to
him
for
the
purpose
of
giving
him
the
information,
are,
in
fact,
the
brief
in
the
action,
and
ought
to
be
protected.
But
here
we
are
asked
to
extend
the
principle
to
a
very
different
class
of
cases,
and
it
is
not
necessary,
in
order
to
enable
persons
freely
to
communicate
with
their
solicitors
and
obtain
their
legal
advice,
that
any
privilege
should
be
extended
to
communications
such
as
these.
None
of
the
decisions
concerning
solicitor
and
client
privilege
to
which
I
have
been
referred
seem
to
me
to
have
changed
or
added
to
the
law,
in
so
far
as
it
is
relevant
to
what
I
have
to
decide
on
this
motion,
as
I
find
it
laid
down
in
the
two
leading
decisions
from
which
I
have
quoted.
In
an
attempt
to
avoid
misunderstanding
as
to
the
effect
of
the
decision
that
I
propose
to
deliver,
it
may
be
well
for
me
to
attempt
to
put
in
my
own
words
the
law,
as
I
understand
it,
on
the
understanding
that,
except
in
so
far
as
is
necessary
for
the
decision
of
this
case,
I
reserve
the
right
to
reconsider
the
precise
extent
of
the
doctrines
that
I
am
attempting
to
describe.
As
it
seems
to
me,
there
are
really
two
quite
different
principles
usually
referred
to
as
solicitor
and
client
privilege,
viz:
(a)
all
communications,
verbal
or
written,
of
a.
confidential
character,
between
a
client
and
a
legal
adviser
directly
related
to
the
seeking,
formulating
or
giving
of
legal
advice
or
legal
assistance
(including
the
legal
adviser’s
working
papers,
directly
related
thereto)
are
privileged
;
and
(b)
all
papers
and
materials
created
or
obtained
specially
for
the
lawyer’s
‘‘brief’’
for
litigation,
whether
existing
or
contemplated,
are
privileged.
In
considering
the
ambit
of
these
principles,
it
is
well
to
bear
in
mind
the
reasons
for
them.
In
so
far
as
the
solicitor-client
communications
are
concerned,
the
reason
for
the
rule,
as
I
understand
it,
is
that,
if
a
member
of
the
public
is
to
receive
the
real
benefit
of
legal
assistance
that
the
law
contemplates
that
he
should,
he
and
his
legal
adviser
must
be
able
to
communicate
quite
freely
without
the
inhibiting
influence
that
would
exist
if
what
they
said
could
be
used
in
evidence
against
him
so
that
bits
and
pieces
of
their
communications
could
be
taken
out
of
context
and
used
unfairly
to
his
detriment
unless
their
communications
were
at
all
times
framed
so
as
not
only
to
convey
their
thoughts
to
each
other
but
so
as
not
to
be
capable
of
being
misconstrued
by
others.
The
reason
for
the
rule,
and
the
rule
itself,
extends
to
the
communications
for
the
purpose
of
getting
legal
advice,
to
incidental
materials
that
would
tend
to
reveal
such
communications,
and
to
the
legal
advice
itself.
It
is
immaterial
whether
they
are
verbal
or
in
writing.
Turning
to
the
“lawyer’s
brief”
rule,
the
reason
for
the
rule
is,
obviously,
that,
under
our
adversary
system
of
litigation,
a
lawyer’s
preparation
of
his
client’s
case
must
not
be
inhibited
by
the
possibility
that
the
materials
that
he
prepares
can
be
taken
out
of
his
file
and
presented
to
the
Court
in
a
manner
other
than
that
contemplated
when
they
were
prepared.
What
would
aid
in
determining
the
truth
when
presented
in
the
manner
contemplated
by
the
solicitor
who
directed
its
preparation
might
well
be
used
to
create
a
distortion
of
the
truth
to
the
prejudice
of
the
client
when
presented
by
someone
adverse
in
interest
who
did
not
understand
what
gave
rise
to
its
preparation.
If
lawyers
were
entitled
to
dip
into
each
other’s
briefs
by
means
of
the
discovery
process,
the
straightforward
preparation
of
cases
for
trial
would
develop
into
a
most
unsatisfactory
travesty
of
our
present
system.
What
is
important
to
note
about
both
of
these
rules
is
that
they
do
not
afford
a
privilege
against
the
discovery
of
facts
that
are
or
may
be
relevant
to
the
determination
of
the
facts
in
issue.
What
is
privileged
is
the
communications
or
working
papers
that
came
into
existence
by
reason
of
the
desire
to
obtain
a
legal
opinion
or
legal
assistance
in
the
one
case
and
the
materials
created
for
the
lawyer’s
brief
in
the
other
case.
The
facts
or
documents
that
happen
to
be
reflected
in
such
communications
or
materials
are
not
privileged
from
discovery
if,
otherwise,
the
party
would
be
bound
to
give
discovery
of
them.
This
appears
clearly
from
the
following
passage
in
the
judgment
of
Lord
Blackburn
in
Lyell
v.
Kennedy
(No.
2)
supra,
where
he
said
at
pages
86
and
87:
But
then
it
is
argued
that
though
that
is
so
you
may,
as
has
been
repeatedly
said,
search
the
conscience
of
the
party
by
inquiring
as
to
his
information
and
belief
from
whencesoever
derived,
and
that
it
consequently
follows
from
that
(this
I
think
was
the
argument
which
was
put)
that
although
a
brief
has
been
refused,
and
it
has
been
said,
“You
must
not
inspect
that
brief,”
you
are
nevertheless
entitled
to
ask
the
party
himself,
“Did
not
you
read
the
brief,
and
when
you
had
read
it
what
was
your
belief
derived
from
reading
that
brief?”
That,
I
think,
was
the
position
which
was
taken;
and
it
was
argued
in
support
of
it,
if
I
understood
and
followed
the
argument
rightly,
that
inasmuch
as
nobody
had
ever
actually
raised
the
point,
and
inasmuch
as
in
all
the
different
books
of
pleading
and
other
things,
where
they
very
frequently
do
discuss
what
is
the
extent
of
discovery,
nobody
had
hitherto
discussed
this
point
either
one
way
or
the
other,
the
silence
of
people
implied
that
it
should
be
so,
and
that
you
ought
to
be
able
to
put
that
question.
Now
as
to
that
I
believe
that
there
is
no
authority,
and
I
think
that
Cotton,
L.J.
says
that
there
is
no
authority;
but
as
it
seems
to
me
the
plain
reason
and
sense
of
the
thing
is
that
as
soon
as
you
say
that
the
particular
premises
are
privileged
and
protected,
it
follows
that
the
mere
opinion
and
belief
of
the
party
from
those
premises
should
be
privileged
and
protected
also.
I
do
not
mean
to
state
(and
I
mention
it
in
case
I
should
be
misunderstood)
that
a
man
has
a
privilege
to
say,
“I
have
a
deed,
which
you
are
entitled
to
see
in
the
ordinary
course
of
things,
but
I
claim
a
privilege
for
that
deed,
because
it
was
obtained
for
me
by
my
attorney
in
getting
up
a
defence
to
an
action”,
or
“in
the
course
of
litigation”.
That
would
be
no
privilege
at
all.
So
again
with
regard
to
another
fact,
such
as
a
man
being
told
by
an
attorney’s
brief
that
there
is
ground
for
thinking
that
there
is
a
tombstone
or
a
pedigree
in
a
particular
place—if
the
man
went
there
and
looked
at
it
and
saw
the
thing
itself
I
do
not
think
that
he
would
be
privileged
at
all
in
that
case:
because
it
is
no
answer
to
say,
“I
know
the
thing
which
you
want
to
discover,
but
I
first
got
possession
of
the
knowledge
in
consequence
of
previous
information.”
That
is
not
within
the
meaning
of
privilege.
But
when
the
interrogatory
is
simply
“what
is
the
belief
which
you
have
formed
from
reading
that
brief?”
it
seems
to
me
(and
I
think
that
that
is
the
effect
of
what
Cotton,
L.J.
says
at
the
end
of
his
judgment
(23
Ch.
D.
at
p.
408))
to
follow
that
you
cannot
ask
that
question.
It
is
a
new
point;
it
has
never
been
raised
before;
but
it
seems
to
me
that
that
is
right.
In
my
view,
it
follows
that,
whether
we
are
thinking
of
a
letter
to
a
lawyer
for
the
purpose
of
obtaining
a
legal
opinion
or
of
a
statement
of
facts
in
a
particular
form
requested
by
a
lawyer
for
use
in
litigation,
the
letter
or
statement
itself
is
privileged
but
the
facts
contained
therein
or
the
documents
from
which
those
facts
were
drawn
are
not
privileged
from
discovery
if,
apart
from
the
facts
having
been
reflected
in
the
privileged
documents,
they
would
have
been
subject
to
discovery.
For
example,
the
financial
facts
of
a
business
would
not
fall
within
the
privilege
merely
because
they
had
been
set
out
in
a
particular
way
as
requested
by
a
solicitor
for
purposes
of
litigation,
but
the
statement
so
prepared
would
be
privileged.
Applying
these
principles,
as
I
understand
them,
to
materials
prepared
by
accountants,
in
a
general
way,
it
seems
to
me
(a)
that
no
communication,
statement
or
other
material
made
or
prepared
by
an
accountant
as
such
for
a
business
man
falls
within
the
privilege
unless
it
was
prepared
by
the
accountant
as
a
result
of
a
request
by
the
business
man’s
lawyer
to
be
used
in
connection
with
litigation,
existing
or
apprehended;
and
(b)
that,
where
an
accountant
is
used
as
a
representative,
or
one
of
a
group
of
representatives,
for
the
purpose
of
placing
a
factual
situation
or
a
problem
before
a
lawyer
to
obtain
legal
advice
or
legal
assistance,
the
fact
that
he
is
an
accountant,
or
that
he
uses
his
knowledge
and
skill
as
an
accountant
in
carrying
out
such
task,
does
not
make
the
communications
that
he
makes,
or
participates
in
making,
as
such
a
representative,
any
the
less
communications
from
the
principal,
who
is
the
client,
to
the
lawyer
;
and
similarly,
communications
received
by
such
a
representative
from
a
lawyer
whose
advice
has
been
so
sought
are
none
the
less
communications
from
the
lawyer
to
the
client.
Turning
to
the
application
of
these
views
to
the
facts
here,
and
reading
the
allegations
of
fact
in
the
notice
of
appeal
in
the
light
of
the
allegations
in
the
Reply
together
with
what
is
said
in
Mr.
Cohen’s
affidavits,
I
have
no
difficulty
in
concluding
that
the
balance
of
probability
is
that
Mr.
Pal
and
Mr.
Wolfe
were
acting
as
representatives
of
the
appellent
for
the
purpose
of
obtaining
legal
advice
on
behalf
of
the
appellant
from
Mr.
Goodman
concerning
the
setting
up
of
some
arrangement
such
as
that,
according
to
the
allegations
referred
to,
the
appellant
in
fact
entered
into.
I
think
the
Court
may
take
judicial
knowledge
of
the
fact
that
corporations
of
all
kinds
are
continuously
faced
with
problems
as
to
what
arrangements
are
advisable
or
expedient
having
regard
to
the
intricacies
of
the
tax
laws
and
that,
while
huge
corporations
have
staffs
of
lawyers
and
accountants
of
their
own
through
whom
they
seek
advice
of
counsel
learned
in
such
special
areas
of
practice,
smaller
corporations
employ
lawyers
and
accountants
in
general
practice
to
act
for
them
in
obtaining
special
advice
in
connection
with
such
matters.
I
have
no
doubt
as
to
the
inherent
probability
of
Mr.
Cohen’s
statements
that
Mr.
Wolfe
and
Mr.
Pal
were
so
acting
for
the
appellant
in
obtaining
Mr.
Goodman’s
advice.
While,
therefore,
I
should
have
had
some
doubt
as
to
whether
Mr.
Cohen’s
affidavits,
based
only
on
information
and
belief,
would
have
been
acceptable
evidence
if
they
had
been
objected
to,
as
they
have
not
been
objected
to,
I
reject
the
motion
in
so
far
as
paragraphs
(b)
and
(ec)
of
the
Notice
of
Motion
are
concerned.
I
turn
now
to
the
order
sought
by
the
motion
for
an
order
(d)
requiring
that
Alexander
Slomo
Strasser
reattend
the
examination
for
discovery
and
answer
questions
numbered
164,
165,
175
and
176,
and
such
further
questions
as
may
arise
from
the
answers
given.
To
appreciate
what
is
being
sought
here,
it
is
necessary
to
refer
to
more
of
the
Examination
for
Discovery
of
Alexander
Slomo
Strasser
(who
was
examined
as
an
officer
of
the
appellant
company)
than
the
questions
mentioned.
The
following
portions
seem
to
be
relevant
to
the
order
sought:
BY
MR.
AINSLIE:
155
Q.
There
was
a
meeting
held
then
on
the
10th
of
December,
1964?
A.
Yes.
156
Q.
And
am
I
correct
that
at
that
meeting
was
Mr.
W.
Goodman
?
A.
No.
MR.
GOODMAN:
Yes.
BY
MR.
AINSLIE:
157
Q.
Mr.
W.
Goodman,
Mr.
Pal,
and
Mr.
H.
Wolfe?
A.
Yes.
158
Q.
And
I
am
correct
that
Mr.
Pal
is
your
auditor
and
ac-
countant?
A.
Yes.
159
Q.
And
that
Mr.
Wolfe
is
your
general
solicitor?
A.
Yes.
160
Q.
And
that
Mr.
Goodman
was
also
your
solicitor?
A.
That
is
correct.
161
Q.
And
at
that
meeting
am
I
correct
that
a
memorandum
was
prepared
as
to
the
purport
of
the
discussion
by
Mr.
Goodman?
A.
Yes.
162
Q.
And
that
a
copy
was
sent
to
the
appellant?
A.
Yes.
163
Q.
I
would
ask
you
to
produce
the
memorandum
setting
forth
the
meeting
of
the
10th
of
December,
1964.
MR.
GOODMAN:
No,
I
think
it
is
privileged.
MR.
AINSLIE:
Mr.
Goodman,
my
position
is
that
it
is
not
a
privileged
document.
MR.
GOODMAN:
I
appreciate
you
take
that
position.
MR.
AINSLIE:
Well,
for
the
purpose
of
the
record
.
.
.
MR.
GOODMAN:
And
your
department
would
be
very
quick
to
claim
a
similar
privilege
in
connection
with
memoranda
passing
between
a
lawyer
and
his
client
in
a
matter
your
department
was
interested
in.
MR.
AINSLIE:
Let
me
just
speak
for
the
purpose
of
the
record,
my
position
is
the
document
is
not
privileged,
it
is
not
a
document
for
which
privilege
has
been
claimed
in
the
affidavit
on
production
and
therefore
I
am
demanding
production
of
the
document.
MR.
GOODMAN:
No.
That
is
not
so.
There
is
a
reference
in
part
II
of
the
affidavit
on
production
to
various
communications
in
respect
to
which
privilege
is
claimed
and
this
is
one
of
them.
BY
MR.
AINSLIE:
164
Q.
In
other
words,
am
I
correct
that
on
the
10th
of
November,
1964,
you
were
seeking
legal
advice
in
anticipation
that
difficulty
would
arise
from
this
plan?
MR.
GOODMAN
:
I
do
not
think
you
are
obliged
to
answer
that
question.
MR.
AINSLIE:
The
witness
is
instructed
not
to
answer
that
question—is
that
correct?
MR.
GOODMAN:
The
witness
is
instructed
not
to
answer
that
question.
BY
MR.
AINSLIE:
165
Q.
Now,
would
you
direct
your
attention
to
the
memorandum
of
the
10th
of
November,
1964,
Mr.
Strasser,
and
would
you
confirm
that
the
memorandum
reads
in
part
as
follows:
“Since
the
Ontario
Pension
Benefit
Act
willl
come
into
force
January
1st,
1965,
there
are
decided
advantages
in
having
lump
sums
past
service
contributions
made
before
that
date
into
a
new
pension
plan
for
benefit
of
key
executives.
Payments
made
after
that
date
may
not
be
withdrawn
as
freely
by
reason
of
the
Act;
however,
payments
made
into
a
pension
plan
will
now
be
subject
to
rigid
statutory
rules
regarding
investments
whereas
the
parties
would
prefer
that
the
monies
simply
be
re-invested
in
the
business.
Accordingly
I
have
suggested
that
any
lump
sum
payments
into
the
new
pension
plan
before
December
31st,
1964,
be
withdrawn
before
that
date
by
the
beneficiaries
and
immediately
transferred
by
the
beneficiaries
into
a
deferred
profit-sharing
plan
which
will
immediately
be
set
up
for
their
benefit.”
MR.
AINSLIE:
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
read
the
introductory
part
back.
THE
REPORTER:
“Q.
Now,
would
you
direct
your
attention
to
the
memorandum
of
the
10th
of
November,
1964,
Mr.
Strasser,
and
would
you
confirm
that
the
memorandum
reads
in
part
as
follows:”
MR.
GOODMAN
:
The
answer
is
“no”.
A.
The
answer
is
no
because
in
fact—
MR.
GOODMAN:
No.
BY
MR.
AINSLIE:
171
Q.
Mr.
Strasser,
after
the
10th
of
November
did
the
officers
of
the
appellant
have
any
further
discussions
with
their
auditor
as
to
the
advisability
of
entering
into
the
pension
plan
?
A.
It
is
possible.
172
Q.
And
am
I
correct
that
the
auditor
in
December
wrote
to
your
solicitor
setting
forth
certain
recommendations
that
should
be
taken
in
regard
to
the
financial
affairs
of
the
appellant
and
its
tax
position?
MR.
GOODMAN
:
No,
he
made
certain
suggestions
for
consideration
and
they
are
considered
to
be
of
a
confidential
nature.
BY
MR.
AINSLIE:
173
Q.
And
those
suggestions
were
contained
in
a
letter
which
was
sent
to
your
solicitor?
A.
Yes.
174
Q.
And
that
letter
is
dated—could
you
tell
me
the
date
of
the
letter,
please?
A.
December
1st.
175
Q.
I
wonder
if
you
would
produce
that
letter,
please?
MR.
GOODMAN:
No,
we
consider
that
it
is
privileged.
MR.
AINSLIE:
Again,
Mr.
Goodman,
I
would
say
that
it
is
not
privileged
because
in
my
submission
it
is
not
a
letter
between
a
solicitor
and
client
and
it
is
not
a
letter
in
respect
of
which
privilege
has
been
claimed
in
the
affidavit
on
production
and
I
ask
the
witness
to
produce
it.
MR.
GOODMAN:
The
witness
declines
to
produce
it
on
advice
of
counsel.
MR.
AINSLIE:
Very
well.
I
will
adjourn
the
discovery
on
this
portion
and
also
on
the
portion
of
the
memorandum
of
the
10th
of
November
until
after
we
have
had
an
opportunity
of
having
this
matter
decided
by
the
courts.
BY
MR.
AINSLIE:
176
Q.
And,
Mr.
Strasser,
am
I
correct
that
one
of
the
suggestions
that
the
accountant,
that
your
accountant
made
to
your
solicitor,
was
that
the
appellant
should
wind
up
the
pension
plan
and
transfer
to
a
deferred
profit-sharing
plan
the
assets
in
the
plan?
MR.
GOODMAN:
Decline
to
answer.
THE
DEPONENT:
I
refuse
to
answer.
The
respondent’s
position,
in
so
far
as
Questions
164
and
165
are
concerned,
is
clearly
set
out
in
that
part
of
the
submission
of
counsel
for
the
respondent
filed
October
25,
1968,
which
reads
as
follows:
8.
By
Notice
of
Motion
dated
September
19,
1968,
the
Respondent
made
an
application
to
this
Honourable
Court
requesting,
inter
alia,
that
Alexander
Slomo
Strasser
be
required
to
reattend
the
examination
for
discovery
and
answer
Question
No.
165
and
such
further
questions
as
may
arise
from
the
answer
given.
Question
No.
165
pertains
to
an
extract
of
a
certain
memorandum,
the
said
extract
being
marked
Exhibit
“A”
for
identification
on
the
examination
for
discovery
and
found
at
page
94
of
the
Booklet
being
Exhibit
“A”
to
the
Affidavit
of
Murray
Alexander
Mogan
filed
in
support
of
this
application.
4,
The
extract
was
obtained
by
the
Respondent
in
the
following
manner
(see
Affidavit
of
Raymond
Sim,
filed)
:
(a)
Mr.
Raymond
Sim,
employed
as
an
assessor
with
the
Department
of
National
Revenue
in
its
Toronto
District
Office,
did
in
the
year
1964,
attend
at
the
office
of
the
Appellant,
Susan
Hosiery
Limited,
and
was
given
permission
by
a
Mr.
Alexander
Strasser
to
look
at
a
number
of
documents
contained
in
a
filing
cabinet.
(b)
Mr.
Raymond
Sim
found
among
the
documents
contained
in
the
filing
cabinet
what
appeared
to
be
a
memorandum
dated
November
10,
1964,
relating
to
a
meeting
between
Mr.
W.
Goodman,
Mr.
A.
Pal
and
Mr.
H.
Wolfe.
(c)
Mr.
Raymond
Sim
made
a
handwritten
copy
of
certain
portions
of
this
memorandum
and
has
subsequently
had
the
handwritten
copy
typed
and
placed
in
the
Department
of
National
Revenue,
Toronto
District
Office,
file
relating
to
the
Appellant.
5.
On
examination
for
discovery
of
Mr.
Alexander
Slomo
Strasser,
as
an
officer
of
the
Appellant,
Mr.
Strasser
was
asked
by
counsel
for
the
Respondent
to
confirm
the
accuracy
of
a
portion
of
the
said
typewritten
extract
and
Mr.
Strasser,
through
his
solicitor,
refused
to
answer.
See
Examination
for
Discovery,
p.
51,
Q.
165
and
pp.
52-53,
Q.
166.
6.
Mr.
Pal
is
the
auditor
and
accountant
for
the
Appellant.
Examination
for
Discovery,
p.
49,
Q.
158.
Mr.
Wolfe
is
the
general
solicitor
for
the
Appellant.
Examination
for
Discovery,
p.
49,
Q.
159.
Mr.
Goodman
is
also
the
solicitor
for
the
Appellant.
Examination
for
Discovery,
p.
49,
Q.
160.
RESPONDENT’S
POSITION:
The
respondent
submits
that
secondary
evidence
as
to
the
contents
of
a
privileged
document
is
admissible
at
trial;
accordingly,
the
Respondent
can
use
the
extract
from
the
memorandum
as
evidence
at
trial.
The
Respondent
therefore
submits
that
he
is
entitled
on
examination
for
discovery
to
verify
the
accuracy
of
the
extract
from
the
memorandum.
REASONS:
1.
While
the
original
memorandum
of
November
10,
1964
may
be
privileged
from
production
on
the
basis
of
solicitor-client
privilege,
privilege
does
not
encompass
the
extract
from
that
memorandum
which
is
in
the
possession
of
the
Respondent.
Calcraft
v.
Guest,
[1898]
1
Q.B.
759
at
764
per
Lindley,
M.R.:
‘.
.
.
Where
an
attorney
intrusted
confidentially
with
a
document
communicates
the
contents
of
it,
or
suffers
another
to
take
a
copy,
surely
the
secondary
evidence
so
obtained
may
be
produced.
Suppose
the
instrument
were
even
stolen,
and
a
correct
copy
taken,
would
it
not
be
reasonable
to
admit
it?’
The
matter
dropped
there;
but
the
other
members
of
the
Court
(Lord
Abinger,
Gurney,
B.,
and
Rolfe,
B.)
all
concurred
in
that,
which
I
take
it
is
a
distinct
authority
that
secondary
evidence
in
a
case
of
this
kind
may
be
received.”
Delap
v.
Canadian
Pacific
R.W.
Co.
(1914),
5
O.W.N.
667
at
669
per
Middleton,
J.:
“It
is
suggested
that
the
correspondence
contains
matter
going
to
shew
that
the
claim
is
not
made
in
good
faith.
.
.
.
In
Calcraft
v.
Guest,
[1898]
1
Q.B.
759,
it
was
held
that
the
use
of
copies
of
privileged
documents,
where
the
production
of
the
original
cannot
be
compelled
by
reason
of
privilege,
is
not
prevented
even
by
fraud
in
the
obtaining
of
the
copies—a
much
stronger
case
than
this,
where
the
copies
were
not
obtained
fraudulently,
but
by
the
mere
inadvertence
of
the
solicitor.”
Richard
C.
W.
Rolka
v.
M.N.R.,
[1963]
Ex.
C.R.
138
at
pp.
154-155
per
Cameron,
J.:
“.
.
.
The
fact
is
that
the
originals
did
come
into
the
hands
of
the
Minister’s
representative
by
the
voluntary
act
of
the
solicitor
and
such
privilege
as
may
have
previously
existed
in
regard
thereto
has
been
lost.
Reference
may
be
made
to
Phipson
on
Evidence,
9th
ed.,
at
p.
202,
where
on
the
authority
of
Calcraft
v.
Guest,
[1898]
1
Q.B.
759
(C.A.),
the
principle
is
stated
thus:
‘But,
unlike
the
rule
as
to
affairs
of
State,
if
the
privileged
document,
or
secondary
evidence
of
it,
has
been
obtained
by
the
opposite
party
independently,
even
through
the
default
of
the
legal
adviser,
or
by
illegal
means,
either
will
be
admissible,
for
it
has
been
said
that
the
Court
will
not
inquire
into
the
methods
by
which
the
parties
have
obtained
their
evidence.’
Holmested
&
Langton’s
Ontario
Judicature
Act,
5th
Edition,
at
p.
1032:
“Secondary
Evidence.
In
Calcraft
v.
Guest,
[1898]
1
Q.B.
759,
it
was
held,
in
effect,
that
though
documents
are
privileged
from
production,
secondary
evidence
of
them
may
be
given,
And
see
per
Cozens-Hardy,
M.R.,
in
Ashburton
v.
Pape,
[1913]
2
Ch.
469,
at
473;
Delap
v.
C.P.R.
(1914),
5
O.W.N.
667,
at
669.
But
the
actual
decision
in
the
Calcraft
case
seems
to
go
no
further
than
that
a
copy
of
a
privileged
document,
obtained
by
accidental
transfer
of
possession,
may
be
admitted;
see
the
principle
stated
by
Wigmore,
Evid.,
sec.
2325(3);
and
see
the
general
principle,
stated
by
Ferguson,
J.A.,
in
Re
United
States
of
America
v.
Mammoth
Oil
Co.
(1925),
56
O.L.R.
635,
at
646,
that
the
privilege
of
communications
between
solicitor
and
client
is
one
which
the
Court
must
enforce
unless
its
enforcement
is
waived
by
the
client.”
Canadian
Encyclopedic
Digest
(Ontario),
2nd
Edition,
Vol.
6,
at
pp.
16-17:
“The
use
of
copies
of
privileged
documents,
where
the
production
of
the
original
cannot
be
compelled
by
reason
of
privilege,
is
not
prevented.”
The
Annual
Practice
1966,
Vol.
1,
at
p.
526:
“Secondary
evidence
or
copies
of
privileged
document.—
Secondary
evidence
as
to
the
contents
of
a
privileged
document
is
admissible
as
against
the
party
resisting
its
production
(Calcraft
v.
Guest,
[1898]
1
Q.B.
759,
C.A.).
Thus
if
a
party
has
an
opportunity
of
taking
or
getting
a
copy
of
such
a
document
he
can
use
it
as
secondary
evidence
(ibid.).”
Wigmore
on
Evidence,
3rd
Edition,
Vol.
VIII,
at
p.
629:
“S.
2326.
Third
Persons
Overhearing.
The
law
provides
subjective
freedom
for
the
client
by
assuring
him
of
exemption
from
its
processes
of
disclosure
against
himself
or
the
attorney
or
their
agents
of
communication.
This
much,
but
not
a
whit
more,
is
necessary
for
the
maintenance
of
the
privilege.
Since
the
means
of
preserving
secrecy
of
communication
are
entirely
in
the
client’s
hands,
and
since
the
privilege
is
a
derogation
from
the
general
testimonial
duty
and
should
be
strictly
construed,
it
would
be
improper
to
extend
its
prohibition
to
third
persons
who
obtain
knowledge
of
the
communications.
One
who
overhears
the
communication,
whether
with
or
without
the
client’s
knowledge,
is
not
within
the
protection
of
the
privilege.
The
same
rule
ought
to
apply
to
one
who
surreptitiously
reads
or
obtains
possession
of
a
document
in
original
or
copy.”
Halsbury’s
Laws
of
England,
3rd
Edition,
Vol.
12,
at
p.
41
:
“Particulars
may
be
ordered
of
a
privileged
document
referred
to
in
a
pleading,
and
secondary
evidence
may
be
given
of
a
privileged
document
despite
the
privilege
attaching
to
the
original,
although,
if
a
copy
is
obtained
improperly,
an
injunction
may
be
granted
restraining
the
use
of
that
copy.”
Whether
an
injunction
may
be
obtained
by
the
Appellant
restraining
the
use
of
the
extract
is
not
relevant
to
this
application
since
the
Appellant
has
not
commenced
proceedings
for
an
injunction.
Assuming
that
the
respondent
may
(and
I
am
not
to
be
taken
as
expressing
any
doubt
with
regard
thereto)
adduce
evidence
as
to
the
communications
that
took
place
between
the
appellant
and
its
solicitors
if
it
has
such
evidence
available
at
the
trial
and
it
is
relevant
to
the
material
facts,
the
appellant
is
nonetheless
entitled
to
rely
on
its
privilege
not
to
disclose
such
communications
either
by
itself
or
its
solicitors
either
on
discovery,
or
at
trial,
or
otherwise.
Having
come
to
the
conclusion
that
the
balance
of
probability
is
that
the
meeting
between
Mr.
Pal,
Mr.
Wolfe
and
Mr.
Goodman
on
December
10,
1964
was
part
of
the
process
whereby
Mr.
Pal
and
Mr.
Wolfe,
as
representatives
of
the
appellant,
were
obtaining
legal
advice
for
the
appellant
from
Mr.
Goodman,
and
that
the
appellant
is
therefore
entitled
to
a
privilege
against
producing
a
memorandum
of
what
occurred
at
that
meeting,
it
seems
clear
to
me
that
the
same
privilege
extends
to
answering
any
questions
as
to
what
was
or
is
contained
in
that
memorandum.
Finally,
with
regard
to
Questions
175
and
176,
it
follows
from
my
conclusion
that
Mr.
Pal
was
one
of
the
representatives
of
the
appellant
for
obtaining
legal
advice
that
the
appellant
is
privileged
from
producing,
or
giving
evidence
as
to
the
contents
of,
a
letter
written
by
Mr.
Pal
as
part
of
the
process
of
obtaining
such
advice.
The
application
is
dismissed
with
costs
payable
by
the
respondent
to
the
appellant
in
any
even
of
the
cause,
which
costs
are
hereby
fixed
at
$300.